What do you think about cross-training Aikido with Wing Chun?
Posted by Ray Gill
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Wing chun is a complete system. There is no need to cross train anything with it. You just need to stay in it long enough to learn more of what it has to offer.
That is the problem with many today that train for just a few months or a few years and move on to something else. Or they stop training all together. They then believe one of 2 things. They know it all. Or this stuff is useless.
In reality they have learn very little. They will often be blind follow other blind. If they are careful they both will fall in a ditch. There are some that will go as far as getting a black belt. Then they leave their school in order to start they own school. They do not realize that earning a black belt is just the beginning of their learning. They have just gotten the basics. Those people foolishly feel the need to cross train. They haven’t learn what is in their own system.
Aikido is a great art. It is great alone.
Wing chun is great alone.
Wing Chun has striking, kicking and grappling. It also has weapon training. In my opinion you don’t need to have weapon traing to be a complete system, but you should have weapon defense. Weapon training can and is an martial ar of its own. I’m not sure where the greatestever is getting his information. It is unfortunate, but he has been misinformed. It’s not his fault that someone has lied to him.
I personally don’t have anything against mma. But it is not a complete system that stands alone. How can it be complete when it limits you based upon rules? You can’t do groin strikes. You can’t go to the eyes. You can’t snap fingers or toes, etc. There is no standard mma. In mma in one gym they may learn some techniques from 2 or 3 different martial art. In another gym they may learn a combination of techniques from 2 to 3 different martial arts. There is no unity across the board as far as what is being taught in mma. They rarely ever learn in compete system. They actually learn some watered down version from several system in order to quickly learn how to fight. Fighting does not necessarily translate into self defense. Some are good at what they do and others are. The same holds true to martial artists.
Mixed martial arts. Mixed with what? It can be mixed with anything. It can be effective if used correctly but it is not complete. The best of competitors of mma are generally a martial artist from one compete system that have learned some techniques from another system that will help them in a sporting event the ring or cage.
A martial artist on the other hand learns techniques that will save his life and the lives of their loved ones. Unfortunately many are bastardizing it with junk called one point sparring (tag you are it). That is not martial arts. That is a weak sport.
A true martial artist knows the difference.
I see grappling….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EO9nDdhx1A
i would say that wing chun would compliment Aikido well..
I disagree with the second poster that WC is a complete system. No MA is complete other than MMA. WC is mostly hands, perhaps 10% kicking during advance level. How can you call that complete when they don’t even know how to grapple?
Both Aikido and WC will train you to have fast hands and eyesight to grab the attackers wrist or arms and subdue. I would say take one of these, and take another one either BJJ, JJJ or Wrestling.
I wouldn’t have answered except some one poo poo’d JW’s answer. Wing Chun is a complete system. There are such things as complete systems in spite of what MMA people may think. You just don’t learn it all in a couple years. The whole mindset of MMA is to compete and to be competetive in a short amount of time. No MMA competitor wants to take 10 years to train before going into competition.
A complete system teaches you to fight in long range, trapping range, clinch, ground and weapons from the perspective of they style’s methods. In Bak Mei when you go to the ground you don’t suddenly abandon Bak Mei training and switch to BJJ, Wrestling, or any other style. I’ve trained with BJJ, Judo, and wrestling practitioners to learn how they fight not to learn how to fight like them.
They are both striking arts. One internal, and one external. It’s quite possible that learning them at the same time could make learning both of them more difficult. Personally, i’d go with WC for striking then pick up Judo, Sambo or BJJ or some other art that doesn’t focus on striking.
it is a good combo- neither conflicts with the other.